'In God We Trust' Motor Vehicle License Plates to be Available in Kentucky in January 2011

No kidding?

I recently drove through the southern states and was shocked to see vanity plates that had a pro-life message.

If Kentuckians want an IGWT plate I don't see it as an issue, as it's a ubiquitous phrase that appears not only on our currency.

Yes, I know that these people are trying to make a statement that appeals to the christian right, but until we get rid of IGWT at the federal level, they can have it.

we need to take it off our money as well.
besides it is pretty sacrilegious to have it on our money.

we need to take it off our money as well.
besides it is pretty sacrilegious to have it on our money.

I'd have thought so too! To my mind putting that phrase on money is probably one of the greatest insults to god one could make.

Having it on a license plate is a clear indication that the state believes in only one religious belief and all should adhere to it. IMO it is not only insulting, but a clear violation of the first amendment of the constitution. Then again we do have those that belief their state is far more important than their country, while gladly accepting federal funds.

Goes along with it's corollary: Jesus Saves, Moses Invests.

Keep Government and Religion OUT of each others spheres of influence. Period.

In a way I like it that those kind of people identify themselves on their plates since I've noticed they can be as much a road hog and with quick and emotional impulses as apparent in their driving habits as they maneuvre to show everyone elsewhere in society. I don't mind that they let you know to stay out of their way (and especially on the road)

well when you see the pope behind 5 inches of bullet proof glass, sometimes you have to be reminded of that "trust in god" part.

But people who have these license plates might not be Christian. So, the idea is to promote division. When Kentucky conducts itself as a Christian state that its people claim it to be, I might forgive their hatred. But so long as its politicians encourage the head bashing of women and its citizens steal cars from women because of racism or political hatred, no, people from Kentucky should be ashamed of their conduct.

The motto on the license plate from where I grew up is "Live Free or Die" True Christians feel free in their hearts and there is no need to divide and separate, even under a perception of being persecuted, where I think this is coming from. Kentuckians have been loud in their opposition to the president and the Muslim community.

Fear factor. But, they do not live by what they promote. It makes all Christians look bad and that is what I do not care for.

So, the idea is to promote division.

Great point.

"Hey neighbor, where's YOUR IGWT plate?"

I would think anyone who is secure in their faith would not need to advertise it. Nor would they feel the need to make others uncomfortable because of their need to push their own beliefs.

I'm thinking these folks are either very insecure that their beliefs/religion is correct or they know deep down their religion is all make believe horse pucky. They certainly do not act in the manner in which their Jesus taught one should act.

deMamma your insecure if God makes you uncomfortable, you say "their" religion (God) then you go on to say in the manner "their" Jesus taught one should act.. how do you know what he taught, its plain you dont believe in and hate our God, so how did you become so astute to our Gods teachings and be able to tell us how he wants us to live ??

Never once have I ever stated that I hate your god, or that he makes me uncomfortable. Although some Christians do make me uncomfortable and wary through their unstable mindset and actions.

I have, however, read the bible cover to cover more than once. (it is a great read with some really good stories) I do understand what it says and means. It is always surprising to see and hear such judgmentalism, hatred, selfishness and other negative attributes and attitudes directed towards others by self professed Christians.

What happens when someone with an "In God We Trust" plate gets into a bad accident. Does that mean God wasn't trustworthy?

bonus,, God doesn't drive, he expects us to.. (sorry I was trying to make a "funny")

But I gotta admitt some Christians go over board with this stuff. One of the guys I attend church with tells me that he "prays" when driving, that it is his time to talk with God. I told him I would rather he prayed at home, church or anywhere else just about,,,But I would truly like it if when he drove a Car he payed full attention to driving !

Arazonia....some people go overboard with tattoos, hairstyles, clothing, drugs, eating, anything you want to name, and they have a right to do so under our constitution, Soooo whats your point,are some believers a bit over zealous...well YES.. thats America

I'm not able to justify these Jesus Biblical quotes. Why would any true peace lover?

But the marvelous teachings of Jesus and other spiritual leaders stand tall.Jesus' teachings to love even one's enemies:

Except for these:

"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword." Matthew 10:34

4) Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children according to Old Testament law. Mark.7:9-13 "Whoever curses father or mother shall die" (Mark 7:10)

Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: “He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.” (Matthew 15:4-7)

No! Don't kill children no matter what Jesus says. Tell him to keep his heavenly rewards!

Jesus has a punishment even worse than his father concerning adultery: God said the act of adultery was punishable by death. Jesus says looking with lust is the same thing and you should gouge your eye out, better a part, than the whole. The punishment under Jesus is an eternity in Hell. (Matthew 5:27)

Happy Holidays, regardless.

Or "The Devil Made Me Do It"

That's too long isn't it?

The time delay certainly would give a considerable heads-up!
*LOL*

John,

I couldn't agree with you more, and am waiting for my "Jesus Loves You, Everyone Else Thinks You're Pretty @!$%#ed Up" personalized license plates to arrive. Oh, /sarc/.

Now there's a vanity plate I'd pay for!
*LOL*

...show the world and mankind whose side we stand on.

To what end? Why do people feel the need to express their opinions and allegiances on their cars?

No one cares.

If no one cared, as you say...no one would be arguing about it here....would they? LOL

If people without a belief in God don't care about others expressing opinions on vanity styled license plates....they wouldn't be freaking out about an OPTIONAL plate with "In God We Trust" on it ... now would they. Too funny.

CynicL1,,,Actually that what all Christians believe in. If you read the book of "Revelations" in the Bible you'll understand what I mean. As it the ones that don't go first and are left behind that truly have lot to worry about !

There is nothing in the NT including John of Padmos' schizophrenic rant that talks about the most faithful getting a direct flight to heaven prior to all of the alleged very bad times and pre-Jesus' 2nd coming. The Rapture- it ain't in there.

But I know, it sounds good so let's just believe!

s/

Its NOT a secular nation. You may want it to be, but saying it over and over again does not make it so.

However, I do respect your right to think what you wish...so respect mine, and others, that want to place God on their cars.

I do not have that on my tags, but now that I've seen that it irritates Liberals, I am going to have it on all of my gas-hogging, non-green, fossil fuel-eating cars in my family.

Its NOT a secular nation. You may want it to be, but saying it over and over again does not make it so.

Are you serious? This nation has no official religion and does not follow any religious law. The citizens may be believers, but the government is 100% secular. Our Constitution makes it PRETTY clear that we are not to establish any form of national religion or promote religion in any way. Sounds pretty secular to me.

I do not have that on my tags, but now that I've seen that it irritates Liberals, I am going to have it on all of my gas-hogging, non-green, fossil fuel-eating cars in my family.

Fine by me. As long as people can opt out of the plates, I have no issue. And if you want to spend and arm and a leg in gas every day, by all means, have at it. I hope that you never end up in a position where gas prices are so high that you cant afford it anymore.

You are correct, there is no official religion in the US.

But,

The GOVERNMENT is NOT the people...its the people that make this a non-secular country.

Remember...Government exists to serve the people, not the other way around.

Why does it bother you? Really its on money ohhh noes. Im an Atheist. Your a Door Knocking Atheist I see. Ohh noes its a cross my eyes are bring. Who cares. Its a word.

Why does it bother you? Really its on money ohhh noes. Im an Atheist. Your a Door Knocking Atheist I see. Ohh noes its a cross my eyes are bring. Who cares. Its a word.

I happen to believe in upholding what this country stands for, and that includes ensuring that this country remains secular. This nation was not set up as a God-loving theocracy, so why should our motto imply that we do?

Our Constitution makes it PRETTY clear that we are not to establish any form of national religion or promote religion in any way.

No, it actually doesn't. Our Constitution makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that people are free to worship as they choose, and that the government can not force any single denomination of religion on the people as was being done in England.

The Declaration of Indpendence, the Mission Statement for America, makes it clear the intention of our forefathers regarding God:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The DOI CLEARLY states that we are ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights. Our rights come from Creator, not from government.

Those rights include the right not to believe in a creator, however nothing in the Consitution states that nothing religous can be seen, used, etc. in anything governmental!

...any single denomination of religion...

Wow, your statement is so convoluted I don't know where to start.

The Declaration of Independence has nothing to do with the binding of laws, nor governance of the United States. It was simply a declaration to Britain that the colonies would no longer be under British law. Then we had the Articles of Confederation that ruled government. And now we have the Constitution.

The Constitution only mentions anything remotely having to do with god, gods, creators, or religion in two places, and both of those mention religion only to be very clear that religion would have no place in the governing of the United States. One says that no laws regarding religion can be established, and the other states that no religious test can be used for political office; and of course it was also clear that people would be free to practice religion (or lack thereof) as they wished.

It is very clear in the Constitution that the United States government is secular. It doesn't say that the people of the country are secular, just that liberty and freedom require religion and government to stay apart.

And it has nothing to do with denomination. It has to do with ANYTHING religious. The founders were clear that jews, hindus, athiests, agnostics, pagans, muslims, christians, and even worshipers of the flying spaghetti monster would be free to both practice as they wished and be free from a government that promoted a religion of any kind. The Constitution is completely clear that nothing religious should be seen, used, etc. in anything governmental.

WRONG Grayson. I think you are confusing your statement with mine when you use the word "convoluted". The Constitution prevents the government from forcing any one religion. That same Constitution provides for the freedom to worship where we choose. So, if I want to stand up and say an opening prayer at the city council meeting, I have every right to do so - just as you have every right to not participate in that prayer! People have gone overboard and taken away the rights of those who wish to practice religion where they choose! What is wrong with prayer during government meetings? Is everyone present required to participate in the prayer?? NO!!! Are the rights of those who WANT to pray and are afforded those rights in the Constitution less than the rights of those who do not want to pray? NO!! We could go back and forth on this all day, but I am not going to waste my time. NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that nothing "religious" can be done on government property, but those who don't believe are so insecure in their "non-belief" that they feel threatened by anything religious. I know one thing Grayson, if I didn't believe, I sure as hell wouldn't get my panties in a bunch if someone wanted the Ten Commandments to be displayed at a government building! Why on earth would I care if I didn't believe in it? Why would I seek to deprive those who do believe of the right to see it if they wanted? After all, if I don't want to see it, all I have to do is look away. Easy enough.

You can THINK what you want, it's a free country. But you are wrong wrong wrong. Wrong! The Constitution absolutely DOES NOT CLEARLY show that this is a secular country. The interpretation is WIDE!!!!!!!!

Good day! :-)

Yes, we could go on all day, but I'll just add a couple of key points.

One is that you say, "the Constitution prevents the government from forcing any one religion." That's completely incorrect. I know that's how you interpret it. You think it's about denomination, but it's not. The Constitution doesn't say "one religion", it says "religion". That means ALL religion... EVERYTHING religious. I doesn't ban laws from any one religion. It bans laws from all religion.

The second issue you bring up is the Ten Commandments. Of course you believe it's fine to carve those on government walls because it's of your religion. We've seen recent outrage about Sharia law. I'm certain there would be outrageous protest if a judge wanted to carve the tenets of Islamic law on his courtroom wall. I'd even bet you'd "get your panties in a bunch" if that happened, even though you are secure in your Christian belief.

Of course you don't have to worry about that and are all for religion on government time and property as long as your religion is in the majority. That's what the founding fathers saw and they wanted to protect religious freedom and liberty of the minority too. So ALL religion, including the Ten Commandments, crosses on the highway, prayer in public school, etc is unconstitutional. You're free to do what you want on your time and property, but the founding fathers wanted you to keep your religion, as well as everyone else's religion, out of our government.

It's not about denomination, it's about religion, the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods.

Its NOT a secular nation. You may want it to be, but saying it over and over again does not make it so.

The Founding fathers, the Constitution, and the SCOTUS all disagree with you!

...its the people that make this a non-secular country.

Actually, it's the Constitution, as the foundation of this country, which makes us a secular nation. Just because many people in this country have a religious belief does not mean the country (sepecially the government) is religiously based.

Our Constitution makes it PERFECTLY CLEAR that people are free to worship as they choose, and that the government can not force any single denomination of religion on the people as was being done in England.

The government also cannot endorse or prohibit any religion or religious cativity. Or are you unfamiliar with the separation of church and state?

The Declaration of Indpendence, the Mission Statement for America, makes it clear the intention of our forefathers regarding God:

The Dec of Independence only establishes our sovereinty as a nation and lists our greivances with the King of England.

we are ENDOWED BY OUR CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights. Our rights come from Creator, not from government.

Which "creator" would that be? That's a rather ambiguous use of the term.

however nothing in the Consitution states that nothing religous can be seen, used, etc. in anything governmental!

Hello! Separation of Church and State!

The Constitution prevents the government from forcing any one religion. That same Constitution provides for the freedom to worship where we choose.

Once again, the Constitution also intends for the government to be separate from religious functions or prevent religious ideology from being made into public policy. GrayHouse nailed it!

People have gone overboard and taken away the rights of those who wish to practice religion where they choose!

What rights have been lost exactly?

What is wrong with prayer during government meetings?

It can be construed as a government endorsement of a religious function or activity. Hence, unconstitutional and open to legal action.

NOWHERE in the Constitution does it say that nothing "religious" can be done on government property,

Separation of church and state, again! You really should brush up on constitutional and SCOTUS law before you post.

Why on earth would I care if I didn't believe in it?

Why should the government validate someone's beliefs over another's or non-beliefs?

Why would I seek to deprive those who do believe of the right to see it if they wanted?

You want to see it, set up something on your property or church. Don't expect the government to do it for you. Why should I be forced to see it or have my government put your beliefs over mine (or non-beliefs)?

After all, if I don't want to see it, all I have to do is look away. Easy enough.

Then you clearly missed the point!

The Constitution absolutely DOES NOT CLEARLY show that this is a secular country. The interpretation is WIDE

Your interpretation maybe. The Founding Fathers and the SCOTUS interpretations are the ones which count and they disagree with your "interpretations." What makes you a better authority on the Founding Fathers or the Constitution than the SCOTUS?

Its called "Freedom"...

Look it up...

and Merry Christmas!

Its called "Freedom"...

Absolutely true!!!

But it's not called christian or American. You look that up!!!

How is that separation of church and state going thing working out for you ?

Pretty well if your name is Jessie Jackson.

Not so well , if you believe, the AL Bore , gubment , has no business telling churches who can or can't marry

And the Dodge driver will probably reply, "I don't consider them seperate."

Hey it's cool...you guys have your minor "victory" over having a license plate praising god in some third world state.

Meanwhile, DADT repeal is about to pass the senate. 2 hours to go.

Lose a battle, win the war.

Thats what it is Angry, your so smart, you've got it all figgured out don't you.. you just won a battle yourself, the war begins Jan 5th 2011, remember that date wise one and in 2012 we shall see who has won the war.. keep telling us what we can and can't do in this free country(like license plates and happy meals) you think Nov 5th was a stomping, next whipping will be an earth quake...

Sure it will....the republicans have 2 years to remind America about the messes they create.

payasyougo,

I've refrained on two of your previous posts from pointing out the obvious, but third time's a charm. Don't you think you're sounding a bit too much like a prickly pride-wounded xtian yourself? Was there a war? And am I to believe that somehow you won?

Sorta like, "If you don't like America, leave", right?

Spaghetti Monster save us from the righteous.

shhhh ! , Our MR.Soros funded, look to a couch jumping (Tom cruise) new age, comrades , don't want it to get out !

But , The commander-in-chief , also places his hand on the BIBLE , and takes an oath !

LOL.....well put.

Wow....the voice of cool calm reason is heard. Thank you!!