11-Year-Old Mexican Rape Victim Wants to Keep Baby

My daughter is eleven.

There is NO way an eleven year old girl is prepared for any of this, least of all motherhood.

I would suggest you take the quotation marks away from the word rape in your headline.

Agreed douglas. There is no such thing as consensual sex between adults and children. This girl is a rape victim.

And while James might commend the girl, I condemn her entire society, and anyone that agrees with James' position.

How is it possible that someone could praise a child for enduring the terrible physical and emotional strain that giving birth will put on her? It will cause her an amazing amount of physical harm that could easily be prevented.

A child is extremely easy to influence. The peolpe around her that are influencing her to think that this is a good idea are bad people. They are, in fact, doing great harm to this poor child, and are committing a terrible act of evil by encouraging her to think that this is a good idea.

How disgusting that a society could raise a child to feel that way.

Rape needs to end (as does flirtation by girls, though there is absolutely no indication that this poor girl did anything at all to bring this rape on).

Why would you even say something like this James?? Is there anyway an 11 year old girl could EVER be "asking for it"?? I don't care if the girl strips and actually asks for it, it is STILL rape. "Flirtation by girls" is a bad thing in your mind. Your mind seems like a scary place to be.

But if God/nature gives girls the ability to become pregnant at a young age, perhaps they are also gifted with the ability to carry the unborn baby successfully.

Not necessarily. Menstruation begins at different ages in different girls. It is usually triggered when a certain percentage of body fat is reached. Unfortunately modern diets have caused earlier onsets of puberty. A girl's body may be capable of getting pregnant, but not capable of giving birth. These girls will die if they are not given abortions. Apparently this girl is large enough to at least carry to term, although obviously not large enough to give birth normally. She is therefore NOT biologically able to have a child yet. She can only be saved through medical intervention (the cesarean section mentioned in the article).

I think girls this young SHOULD have abortions. Their bodies are NOT ready for pregnancy, nor are they ready for it emotionally. An older teen (14+) perhaps should be given a choice, but not a small child.

Rape needs to end (as does flirtation by girls, though there is absolutely no indication that this poor girl did anything at all to bring this rape on).

Didn't even catch that part of the comment. That's pretty vile.

And while James might commend the girl, I condemn her entire society, and anyone that agrees with James' position.

Why would you even say something like this James?? Is there anyway an 11 year old girl could EVER be "asking for it"?? I don't care if the girl strips and actually asks for it, it is STILL rape. "Flirtation by girls" is a bad thing in your mind. Your mind seems like a scary place to be.

I think girls this young SHOULD have abortions. Their bodies are NOT ready for pregnancy, nor are they ready for it emotionally. An older teen (14+) perhaps should be given a choice, but not a small child.

I agree with all of these statements and I am disgusted by this entire article.

First, suggesting that the girl was not raped. Yuck, disgusting and anyone that even remotely thinks that is a possibility makes me ill and is evil.

Second, suggesting that it's a good idea for a child to give birth to a baby is in my opinion child abuse.

James -

I'm disappointed in you.

But if God/nature gives girls the ability to become pregnant at a young age, perhaps they are also gifted with the ability to carry the unborn baby successfully.

That is awfully close to "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed".

Rape needs to end (as does flirtation by girls, though there is absolutely no indication that this poor girl did anything at all to bring this rape on).

You actually think it would be possible for an 11 year old to do something"bring on a rape"? Like what, for instance?

However, children seem to go through puberty earlier than they did a century ago. In the early 1990s I helped teach a Vacation Bible School class for girls about 10 years old and some of them were talking about boys, sex, and dressing provacatively. Today's society seems to encourage sex without responsibility through television, movies, advertising, music, news, etc.

That may be true but has absolutely nothing to do with rape. An 11 year old girl cannot consent to sex, no matter how she dresses or what she says.

If an adult has sex with an 11 year old it is always rape, no matter the circumstances. Anyone and I mean anyone that thinks differently is disgusting and evil.

But how girls are taught and how they behave affects the likelihood that they will be raped.

That is a reflection on the men--not those children.

Usually, I am able to discuss things with you in a civil manner.

Not this time.

Your proposition that there is ever anything that a little girl can do to even a tiny little bit make it ok for someone to rape her is sick. It's disgusting, James. It's straight-up evil. A child never deserves the evil visited upon them. Never. For you to suggest such...

I thought you were someone with whom I could respectfully disagree. I was wrong. Your comments have completely destroyed any possibility of my having any respect for you.

These are little girls, and deserve every single inch of leeway we can give them, and every line of defense. And little kids do not do wrong. And for you to even suggest that the way they dress makes it even the tiniest bit their fault if someone rapes them...

Be a better person. i thought you were a person deserving of tolerance. I no longer think that. You've killed my ability to respect what you believe.

What you've espoused is unadulterated evil.

But are you saying you have never seen an 11-year-old girl dress very provocatively and openly flirt with an older man?

What I have never seen is an eleven year old who deserved a grown man putting his dick inside of her body.

Know why? Because it's completely impossible that it could ever occur.

And, by the way? No--I have never found a single thing to be provocative on a child. They are children, for god's sake. Get laid, once in a while. Are you f-ing crazy? No! Kids aren't sexually attractive.

But how girls are taught and how they behave affects the likelihood that they will be raped.

No. No, it does NOT. I suppose I should be glad that you don't understand rape in the slightest bit. But you are spreading misinformation and have a skewed view of sex and rape. Rape has nothing to do with sex. You may find this hard to believe, but it really, really doesn't. Men don't go into a frenzy of lust and force themselves on an 11 year old girl (or an adult woman for that matter). Sex is all about power and control. Men use it to make themselves feel powerful. How a woman dresses or acts does NOT make a rapist more interested in her. It may make him choose her as a victim because he knows society will see her as "having it coming", but it isn't because he was just so excited by her miniskirt he couldn't help himself. This misogynistic nonsense has gotten more women raped and set free countless rapists.

Men rape women for power. They choose women they think are vulnerable. They choose women they think either won't report it, or won't be believed, or will be seen as sluts. YOU are continuing this societal lie and therefore helping rapists to get more victims, and to escape prosecution. Congratulations.

But even the title of the video was offensive to me (as is the language of some young people and adults), so I didn't watch it.

You think a word is offensive, but you continue to insist that children can bring about their own rapes? Seriously, which is more evil, a 4 letter word or a belief that children can "ask for it"?

Sweet Jesus.

I have to admit that the link was supposed to be offensive--that was kinda the point. But maybe it was inappropriate, as well. Posted it last night after getting back from bars, so feel free to delete that comment.

Posted it last night after getting back from bars,

Haha. I re-read some of my posts that I posted last night too. They should keep the edit button available at least till morning. Haha

But perhaps the man's uncontrolled sexual lust and being in a position of power over the vulnerable child/woman is a bigger factor than the desire for power. I don't know.

I do know. I've been raped. A normal lusty male will try to get you into bed (cajole, bribe, flatter, beg even) any way he can, but he wants you to be willing. A NORMAL guy doesn't get excited by screaming crying women who are trying to get away. The Normal guy mey follow the girl dressed in a trampy way hoping she is easy and he's going to "get lucky". All of this is harmless. You tell normal lusty guy "no" in no uncertain terms and he may whine or pout, but he won't do anything else.

Rapist guy might try the normal apporach first, but he might not even bother. He is looking for vulnerable, not easy. He doesn't care if the girl says yes or no, he just wants to make sure she'll shut up about it later. Younger girls are a good target, low self esteem, unsure of themselves, societal guilt about sex, etc., make them easy pickings. Nothing a woman does EVER encourages rape. It is NEVER her fault in any way. That is like saying children are inviting molestation by being "too cute". Or like saying a person is inviting robbery by having nice things.

I commend this girl for her pro-life stance and hope her mother remains supportive.

I just threw up in my mouth - twice. You should be ashamed of and disgusted with yourself. This girl was raped, she's 11, and she could very well die or be seriously injured from this pregnancy and you think it's a good thing? Pathetic.

James,

I'm gonna go ahead and put something out here from my heart. Just so you know: I don't do this. I don't get emotionally involved in the things that I say online. Sure as @!$%# don't get involved in this website, because I've posted my real name here, before.

My best friend is a lesbian porn-star. She's actually more-or-less straight, not that it matters. Her boyfriend's name is Tom, and he and I are pretty good. Her real name is Annie but, if I told you her porn name, you could IMDB it for more than a hundred movies.

There's this girl I call "Sue." Her real name is Asusena. Her friends call her Susie. I call her Sue. She barely speaks English, and is very much Mexican. We don't talk about that kind of thing, but I'm pretty sure that she isn't, legally, allowed to live in the USA.

She was twenty-two when I took her on her first date. She was so @!$%#ing terrified of me that she sat across the table and sent me text messages. I finally got her to talk to me, and she looked me straight in the eyes and broke down in tears.

It had nothing to do with me. It was about having dinner with someone that has a penis.

My first girlfriend was a girl named Jenny. When she was twelve, she thought it was oh-so-cool that some men in Los Angeles wanted to take her out, in a limo. The fact that they left her bleeding from the @!$%#, in the back alleys of west hollywood, didn't even deter her. Hell--I was only thirteen. I thought it was cool, too.

The last time I saw her, I was back in my tiny, home town. She asked me to come over. She was nineteen, and I was twenty. She invited me in, and spent two hours sitting on the couch, chain smoking cigarettes, and didn't say a single thing. Then she said "who the @!$%# are you!? Get the @!$%# out of my house!" And that was the last time that I saw Jenny.

Meg used to tell me about the Lords of Acid game that they played. You watch Scarface, take a line and a shot of gin for every time you see coke on the TV. She's dead, now, in case you're wondering.

There's this girl named Gwen. She was the best bud of an ex-girlfriend of mine, and was maybe, a little bit, anorexic. She was nineteen when she had her second heart attack, because that's what anorexia does to your body.

The woman I love best, who I lost a long time ago, is named Autumn. She has these beautiful scars on the back of her neck. She's into body piercings. The scars are from where her ex-boyfriend ripped the piercings out of her body.

Ripped the piercings out of her body.

It's not about boys versus girls. I love these women, and their lives are being ruined by those men. These are my sisters, my mothers, my best friends and lovers. They mean everything to me.

And you're blaming them for something that someone else did to them. And it makes me hate you. I can't begin to explain the extent to which it makes me want to do harm, to you.

Bad things happen. And there isn't any amount of pretending that "there has to be a bigger plan" that makes them stop being bad things. And the only reason that you think that there is is because you're a thirty-something year-old virgin with absolutely zero life experience, who hasn't got the slightest idea what the hell he's talking about. Because you know absolutely nothing about life.

I have been reading a lot of comments on here, and I have to admit, it seems like people are making a lot of assumptions when I don't think this article went into all the facts. Of course it says alleged because right now it is just (at least from the article) the girls word on it, and she didn't even say anything until her mother got it out of her. We don't know if it was the stepfather or if it was the 12 year old boy in the next house.

I don't condone minors having sex with anyone, but the way a lot of the comments sound it is saying that the girl should have an abortion. Yet as a former fetus...shouldn't we worry about the child that she is having? I realize that an 11 year old should not be a parent, but there is always adoption. One of my best friends in high school was a girl who was adopted, her birth mother was 14 when she was raped by her step-brother. I can tell you, my friend was very happy her mom didn't get an abortion. Of course I can only talk from my experience.

We can also talk about the research that has been done on those who have become pregnant through rape or incest. Of course there isn't much, there is the study done by Dr. Sandra Mahkorn. That showed most women who become pregnant through rape and incest would rather keep their baby, only 15% decided to get an abortion, the rest felt for many different reasons to not have an abortion, ranging from they thought it would just be another violation, or another wrong. Some felt by having the child they would actually be getting their power back. Others felt that it was just as much their child and they couldn't do that to their child. One thing that was impressive is that not one of the women who kept the child regretted it, where as 80% of the women who choose abortion regretted the decision. The study also noted that the women who didn't have an abortion, a year later, were emotionally healthy compared to the women who had the abortion.

I realize this study is looking at women and not girls, but since there are very few studies in this area (for obvious reasons) it is still something we should all consider, the voice of the victim, whether she is repeating what someone is telling her or not, there have been many people talking to her about this on both sides of the issue. If she is saying she wants to have the child, I think she wants to have it. As the article stated when the baby comes to term, they will be giving her a c-section.

Thanks for listen to me.

or if it was the 12 year old boy in the next house.

A 12 year old boy can't get anyone pregnant.

I realize that an 11 year old should not be a parent, but there is always adoption.

Carrying a fetus to term can kill an 11 year old. The story states that she is supposed to have a Cesarean section. She cannot give birth normally. If not for medical intervention she would die trying to give birth. We are concerned with HER health, not that of the fetus.

Kaviaq you stated in post 1.26:

"She cannot give birth normally. If not for medical intervention she would die trying to give birth. We are concerned with HER health, not that of the fetus."

Does this mean every woman who cannot have a child normally should get rid of her child? If so that would mean me and my sister would not be here . My mother could not have a baby naturally and had to have a c-section both times. However, thanks to medical science it is possible for women who would have otherwise died in childbirth, can now live and have their child at the same time.

On a personal note, they already know the 'fetus' is a girl meaning a female human being. How can you so coldly condemn that innocent girl to death, when there is medical technology that can save both mother and child?

Thank you.

Does this mean every woman who cannot have a child normally should get rid of her child?

Please stop playing dumb, it is irritating. Obviously this child is not physically mature enough to have a baby. If she were any smaller she couldn't carry the fetus to term at all.

On a personal note, they already know the 'fetus' is a girl meaning a female human being. How can you so coldly condemn that innocent girl to death, when there is medical technology that can save both mother and child?

Because almost half of all conceptions end in spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) before the woman even know she is pregnant. Abortion is part of nature. I couldn't care less what the sex of the fetus is. Trying to personify it doesn't change the fact that it is endangering the life of this child and the rights of an 11 year old girl trump the rights or a half formed fetus. Always have, always will.

I realize that an 11 year old should not be a parent, but there is always adoption.

Obviously you do think that an 11 yr old should be a parent, seeing as you think it's a good idea that her life be put at risk by allowing the pregnancy to be carried and then having this little girl go through the agony of childbirth at 11 yrs of age. Also, adoption is not a great option, especially as there are thousands of children who have not been and will never be adopted.

If this little girl was your daughter, you should be arrested for child endangerment and child abuse.

Kaviaq, I wasn't trying to play dumb. I was looking at it from a purely medical view (which I clearly didn't state and I apologize for that), not an 'is she ready emotionally' view. Considering most females, start having their period (at least in the US) at the age of 10, that would mean physically their bodies are at least partially ready for the task of becoming pregnant. I realize that an 11 year old is also considered a high risk. Yet if we say that every high risk pregnancy is a valid reason for an abortion, I think that would be wrong. Although I can only speak for myself, I look the exact same way as I did at 12 years old, I was fully developed by that point. I'm not sure whether this girl is the same as me, but since we don't know what she looks like nor her medical history we can only go off of what we read in the article, which wasn't much other than that she is healthy and the baby are healthy so far, and doing fine, at least at the moment.

If I had been looking from the is she emotionally ready view I certainly agree she probably no where near ready emotionally or mentally. First she has a lot of issues from being sexually assaulted, whether it was by her stepfather or some other guy who she looked up to, which is going to cause problems. Not to mention a mother who didn't realize this was going on until she was pregnant. Along with the fact that her relationship with her mother didn't make her feel comfortable to confide in her that this was going on. I feel we agree 100% on that.

But even with that in mind, there is still another life here that needs to be considered as well, whether you consider it a life or not. Your half formed fetus comment is not medically accurate, she is almost 5 months pregnant, as far as I'm aware from every medical source I have seen it is a complete child by the end of the 12th week. After that it is just gaining fat now to be able to survive in the world. So your half formed would have only been true maybe in the first 0 to 10 weeks.

http://www.cpmc.org/services/pregnancy/information/fetal_development.html

After seeing Octomom in her bikini, I've decided to keep an open mind on the idea of what wil and won't work when it comes to childbirth. I am scared for this little girl, but with the pregnancy this far along and understaning how she may well feel about it, I hope for the best.

Considering most females, start having their period (at least in the US) at the age of 10, that would mean physically their bodies are at least partially ready for the task of becoming pregnant.

Precocious puberty does not mean girls are ready for sex much less becoming pregnant. If she was 5 and had her period and got raped would you still think she should carry the pregnancy?

Yet if we say that every high risk pregnancy is a valid reason for an abortion, I think that would be wrong.

Of course it is a valid reason for an abortion. The mother's life being in danger is ALWAYS a valid reason for abortion. If she chooses to take the risk, being a full informed adult, that is her right. But she should always have the option to abort.

as far as I'm aware from every medical source I have seen it is a complete child by the end of the 12th week.

That is because your "medical sources" are anti-abortion propaganda websites. If it were a "complete child" it wouldn't have to be aborted at 12 weeks, it could be born. If it can't come out of the womb and survive, then it ISN'T a complete child. Even at 24 weeks the lungs aren't fully formed and the fetus can't survive outside the womb.

So your half formed would have only been true maybe in the first 0 to 10 weeks.

Nope. 0-10 weeks is LESS than half formed. You have been brainwashed by propaganda. I have seen preserved fetuses at every stage of development. I know exactly how formed they are and how formed they are not. I don't need your anti-abortion scare tactic sites.

Of course there isn't much, there is the study done by Dr. Sandra Mahkorn.

Interesting study. In that I can't find it anywhere. Every anti-abortion website makes mention of it, but no one posts the actual article. I'd like to see her actual data and whether the study was done properly. It was published in a University publication, not a peer-reviewed journal, which makes its validity suspect in my opinion. Of course I can't actually FIND the article so I can't be very specific. I will point out one glaring inconsistency in her "results" though: If 80% of women who had abortions regretted it there would be very few women getting a second abortion. And these women who regretted it would undoubtedly tell all their friends and family how much they regretted it, particularly if they knew a friend or family member was considering the option. So if that many women regretted it, there would be very, very few women GETTING ABORTIONS. I suspect this "article" is either a flawed study or more anti-abortion propaganda.

Considering most females, start having their period (at least in the US) at the age of 10, that would mean physically their bodies are at least partially ready for the task of becoming pregnant

There's a suggestion of that "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" thing again.

Children do not stop growing until late in their teens. Just because hormone levels may be sufficient to start the menstrual cycle in no way means that the small body of a child is in any way "ready" to carry and support a fetus. Good grief.

Let your fingers rest VB. Just Me would use the "old enough to bleed, old enough to breed" argument if their own daughter was 11 and got pregnant by force.

Kaviaq,

I did not intend to incite or offend you and I’m sorry if I have done that, as it was not my intention.

I will not, however, apologize for my views that all life is sacred or my view that killing an innocent person, at any stage in life, is wrong.

You are free to disagree with me, and I thank you for doing so with a little more decorum then a few other people. I would also like to thank you for your views and giving me some more information on which to ponder.

I pray that neither one of us will ever have to face this problem in our own lives.

Have a good day.

I will not, however, apologize for my views that all life is sacred

You should petition to outlaw root canals and tonsil-ectomies then, along with blowing your nose and killing bacteria and killing parasites and masturbation then.

killing an innocent person, at any stage in life, is wrong.

So you'd rather a woman or girl who's life is at risk die in childbirth or from the pregnancy alone, than get help? Oh yeah, life is so "sacred" to you.